Hi, how are you? I’ve been a long time reader and once I was a subscriber. Really admire your work. I learned so much listening to you.
If I can add something to your research (and maybe you already talked about it, but I missed the previous email), here are some things:
-T Mars is moving from a square to T Jupiter and to a square with T Pluto. Mars energy is expanded, about to get stronger. I think that we will see many acts of violence or defense in the next weeks.
The situation is not only that Mars is about action, anger, rage, it’s so much more for HIM.
You see, his birthday in 2023 was the same day as an anular eclipse. Solar eclipse in 21 Libra, same degree that T Mars is visiting right now, activating the energy of that eclipse. The way that I see it, eclipses leave marks that will unfold a story through time. The exact T Mars activation of that degree was Sep 9th.
He was also a Sun+ Jupiter in Libra square Uranus + Neptune in Cap. Jupiter now is opposing that N Uranus+ Neptune.
Is interesting also to see his 2024 solar return. The SR Sun was squared to Mars in Cancer. I see a pattern.
Hope this helps. I honestly knew very little about him until yesterday, and I checked the charts.
Ps: English is not my first language, so crossing my fingers that it all makes sense to you!
This is highly irresponsible. You are bending a chart to fit a personal guesstimate/narrative. It's the only complaint I've ever had about your otherwise superb work: political view bias.
Do you think his father's crying out with grief is an act? His wife's? His many friends who have expressed their profound grief on television? Will it take photo's of his 3 year old daughter's face when she realizes she can no longer run to her Daddy's arms for a hug? Please Eric, show more humanity.
I am with you on this. So all the people around Charlie, J.D., his wife, and parents, all of his friends have become Academy Award actors? Sometimes in life, shit happens without any warning, like a car crash or someone just dies. Sometimes logic has to come forward. Where is Charlie hiding for the rest of his life? So, plastic surgery to change his face so he can reunite with his family? Let's get real, please. I use astrology every day. My chart is up on astro.com; it's the first thing I do when I open my computer before I start trading and reviewing the market. But this really is a stretch. I have questions also, but waiting to see what this investigation brings forth. Of course, this group will say it's a huge cover-up.
I agree with you. All of this conspiracy that Charlie is not dead is making some of us even more upset. People are saying he faked his death. He had a blood tube under his t-shirt??? I watched him live before he spoke, tossing out hats. It was warm out there, and there was nothing under that t-shirt. I didn't get anything out of this last night. The investigation is still ongoing.
Again - I’m sorry if this is difficult because it’s personal for you - but we are not here to not challenge things that look and also importantly ‘feel’ suspicious because it ‘upsets’ people. It’s called walking on eggshells and it never served anyone.
You actually made me smile because you answered that question in true Charlie style. Bravo. As a looooong time subscriber, annual/sign reports and weekly/monthlyfollower, (it's got to be at LEAST 20+ years now because I'm 64), I have observed your political viewpoints over time. So I feel confident in my assessment that you lean left, although I have appreciated your efforts when you have toned down the bias. You do have Moderates, moderate Conservatives and Libertarian followers. I fall into those camps.
It's not really about your political identity for me, it's about using the chart to speculate that this event may have been staged, and using the chart to support that hypothesis. I don't think it is right because I believe there are enough factual indicators - the least of which is the profound loss his wife and parents are experiencing - to not go there. That is why I said it was irresponsible. Therefore I had hoped that you would show more humanity there, even though I understand the desire to look at this in a scholarly fashion.
I know (haha - says the Aquarian), as I said - I have watched you for many years. It was just this instance that hit differently. Plus I really liked Charlie Kirk and respected how he used dialogue and discourse to get young people to think more critically, (although I didn't agree with him on everything). I believe that benefits society as a whole. So I am grieving his loss. There's my bias - which I would call fact based.
Thank you for the opportunity to discuss. I appreciate you.
also, if you say I'm bending my interpretation of the chart, that means I'm omitting or misrepresenting something. Can you give me one example? your theory has two halves -- I am biased; therefore the reading is biased. We should be able to see that in the reading alone -- based on a clear misreprestnation
I am not basing my statement on an omission or missing element. I am basing it on your interpretation and supposition. Charlie Kirk IS dead. I think there is very reasonable and identifiable factual support for that. Sometimes we must accept the raw grief of those closest to him as its own supporting proof.
I am an Aquarius sun, Cancer moon, Cancer rising, born on a full moon in Cancer makes me pretty intuitive, and it seems the Aquarian logic brain is asking serious questions. As Aquarius loves and rules astrology. I also don't think it's funny, as laughing about this on the video is out of character, Eric.
You’re an idiot if you think he was about free speech and spread the word of Christ. He was a racist and homophobic bigot. The world is a better place without him.
Someone mentioned BML ASC - makes the person on stage the image the event wants to create so raw, taboo (even from this thread it very clear that it's entirely forbidden to entertaint hat political violence could be staged, even open-minded 'truthers' seem to avoid this).
Then Lie at 21 Sag (didn't know Lie even existed) squaring Sun/Nodes/Nessus says active distortion around whatever story is out there. That combo makes it easy for a moralised narrative to gain momentum; whether by intention or otherwise, the effect is the same. So perhaps there are a different set of questions we need to ask at another level. Since here the event has become a big symbol before it becomes grounded in any fact. Though for me these narratives and agendas always bring me to the deeper lie which ultimately force most into a kind of submission and passivity - that is that 'truth is never contactable', reinforcing that it is 'relative' anyway and never 'absolute'. Eroding the absolute has been at the heart of their game plan... forever!
Sorry for talking outside the horary rules, but Ceres may be important in this chart. Ceres has an association with politics and madness, through drugs. As it is well known, the drug LSD is related to a fungi called ergot, that exists in barley. More importantly, Ceres is related to the Greek Eleusinian mysteries. Powerful people in Greece and Rome went through those rites. The last emperor who did so was Marcus Aurelius.
There's also the obvious sickle symbol of Ceres, and its connection with the political ritual of sacrificing kings (e.g. JFK) and princes (the entire family of the Tsar of Russia) as a price of blood, to bring about big changes.
I read once that when they discovered Ceres they wanted to assign the rulership of Virgo to that dwarf planet.
Scorpio sign of “Death” rising? With - is that dark moon Lilith? That looks ominous with only one glance! (And I don’t know sh*t about reading a chart😖)
Eric, Sorry, but I am not skilled enough to definitively answer your question about whether Charlie Kirk is actually dead. Why not? The chart of the shooting tells me that the shooter thought so,but the chart of that event, in my opinion, does not hold the answer to your question.
Your question to me is a horary question requiring a chart of the time of your question set for the location where I am. That chart has the Sun (being alive) and Virgo ruler Mercury combust, with the Lunar South Node (Ketu), the "ghostly planet" associated with being a ghost --- no body.
It is Chironic to me that the timing of the demise of towers one and two (not 7) on 9/11/2001 had (if I remember correctly) Moon Void of Course. Almost 24 years later, we have another controversial event with Moon Void of Course.
Your question would be best answered by a full-time, experienced horary astrologer.
Although I respect your pursuit of the truth about every event and issue, personally I am much more concerned about "the bigger picture." Both actual assassinations and government and media deception have often occurred before in history.
First, I can't get the chart to match the event. I cannot get the chart onto the ground. We are looking at all this Venus and Mars and there would seem to be no actual violent directed energy. However, many roads point to Venus and she's standing proud in Leo in the whole sign 10th. This is very showy and pretentious. But like...no action except for a sextile (eventually) to Mars. like...let's get it on babe...in a few days when I'm off of work.
When we look at the "nature and cause of death," ruler 8th, we are led to Mercury -- standing next to the Sun -- which looks a little like "a speaker" near "the president" in the 11th house -- a group event -- OK great that works -- but I cannot get "the speaker" to have been shot by anything. I cannot get anything to be shot by anything except that we have that void Moon (ruler 7th exalted) void basically doing nothing.
Nothing actually HITS anything in this chart. There is no CONTACT. Where is the contact? If the wound is to the throat, where is the injury to the throat?
that BTW is the one parallel to the 9/11 chart -- both under void Moon.
Basics: Initiator of action (shooter) = ASC and first house placements and Black Moon Lilith conj. ASC from 12th h; Initiator's adversary (Charlie Kirk) = DSC and 7th h. Uranus retro in Gemini
Chart "ruled" by ruler of the First house = Mars and the Moon (always, wherever) Moon in Aries (also ruled by Mars) in the 6th house of self-appointed task to do or job to be done for someone else. Mars in 11th h.: shooter worked for some individual or group; ruler of Mars in 9th h. = either someone or some group in a foreign land, and/or in "the shadow house" of the government (e,g. "The Deep State")
Moon Void of Course: " Nothing can be done about the matter" by other(s) and often can mean for the initiator(s), "Nothing to worry about" --- getting away
Part of Fortune in the 8th house: Death is "fortunate" for the initiator: Charlie Kirk dies
F.Y.I.: Sabian Symbol for Vertex in the 8th house (conjunct Fortuna): auto wrecked by a train at a railroad crossing
What I notice is that the chart is ruled by Pluto and Mars. Those asteroid goddesses (Juno and Vesta) on the ascendant, answer to them. Also, Lilith. So even if the impetus of the idea or face of the action has at its core 'feminine' values, the action taken is informed by more 'masculine' motive/values. Mars is in an applying opposition to the Eris/Chiron conjunction in action oriented Mars ruled Aries and this has been stimulated by the transit of the Moon. At the time of the event, the Moon is widely square Pluto. Dwarf planet Haumae, (regeneration) is at 1 Scorpio 39 in the 12th, only two minutes off from an exact square with Pluto--the destroyer. Centaurs Pholus and Nessus are also involved in close contra-parellel to Haumea, .3 degrees Pholus and .2 degrees Nessus. It is also interesting that Venus in only 1 degree off from where she was in the 9/11 chart that you've posted, albeit in a different house, but still largely preoccupied in the 9th (close to the MC) with the beautiful display of a philosophy.
I get that the jury is still out on whether he's really dead or whether it was staged and he's conveniently disappeared, but I do think he is/was a real person.....
These remarks about a rigged fake assassination is over the top. Even promoting that idea is insanity. I have been an astrologer for over 50 years…his chart definitely shows the potential for assassin especially in the throat area but not written in stone it could also shows death related to the neck but interpretation by us is never conclusive only interpreted as a possibility as houses rule many aspects of our lives. Very poor representation of our position as Astrologers; show some integrity , we are meant to be neutral not political!!!
Oh so you don't know. You have not actually read these charts. I see.
I've seen all of the charts and we went with one documented to the second. I use whole sign houses, so in that sense it does not matter. But YOU my dear have not read these charts. Catch you down the road some time maybe not.
You don’t dismiss ANY astrological theory you use them all if the info is available. One photograph in time won’t give you the Birds Eye view if you’re taking the picture at street level. A good Astrologer uses all the tools available to him or her
A good carpenter uses only the tools he needs for the job, not every tool in the workshop. You have not provided me with one bit of reasoning that demonstrates that you're a qualified astrologer. All you do is throw around jargon and you do not even reference any of my specific points of interpretation.
You could say, "You are misreading the ruler of the 8th house. It's the final dispositor and it's in hayes, that must mean he's running the show from up in heaven." I don't think you're here for serious discussion of astrology. So I'm going to give you a month off from my substack.
It’s only a possible death chart of someone or several someone’s as I am sure that more than just Charlie died that moment somewhere in the world. For it to be applied to Charlie you have to overlay it with Natal, Progressed both forward and retro and a midpoint chart would help as well. We can debate this forever. Your calculations are for a moment in time only, again it indicates a death that is a Possible Assassination. There are a million things going on in the world at that moment - not just Charlie Kirk.
I understand what you are saying but you can’t justify the so-called scenarios of videos showing a false event. As I said that issue is being proposed primarily because of the line up of Neptune and Mercury in opposition… that means deceit but we don’t know WHO IS DOING THE DECEIT! Bad time for any predictions period!
I suggest you do an overlay with a USA chart. Independence Day natal and progressed and the date the constitution was ratified natal and progressed. Do the work!
We are proceeding from different astrological theories. Charlie Kirk has nothing to do with the U.S. or the constitution; he was a campus speaker talking about alleged transsexual school shooters, who are not mentioned in the founding documents.
Kirk is said to have been killed; the chart for that time and date is therefore his death chart. In a death chart, we should be able to see that event, and also its nature and cause. Let's study the ruler of the 8th house of that chart. It should tell us a lot.
It’s only after the event that you maybe able to read Some of the impact of the chart but you still aren’t getting the full and complete picture so that allows you to interpret it anyway you would like to suit your scenario.
You can say that, but I have left all of my calculations open in the article -- all of my assessments are stated in classical astrological terms and I am reading a classical chart with just seven points and the part of fortune; that does not leave me a lot of wiggle room. You are not saying what interpretation is wrong; you're saying that I am wrong. I've provided you with plenty of documented interpretations for you to take shots at. But you don't ever reference my astrology. I left it in for other astrologers to critique. So, have at it; you say you're good. Go for it.
Can you quote an authoritative source on that? Cornelius? Hand? Jones? Any other horary or mundane master? Can you cite an article you have published on the topic that breaks down your reasoning and gives examples?
Not unless you use the country’s in question natal chart..,you don’t get a full and accurate picture. And be aware that those charts can be hard to come by.
You can see highly volatile events showing up through daily casts but you may not know where they will occur with out the Natal chart to compare it to. I knew months in advance that the US was highly likely to be attacked on 9/11 but I didn’t exactly know where. “Twins” were involved in the reading overlaying the United States, but too many people (leaders in particular) had Gemini invoked but it wound up being twin towers and also multiple attacks with planes. I stressed for months about it and my husband couldn’t believe that anyone would actually attack the US on home ground.
But knowing about it didn’t prevent it. My husband lost many friends that day. I knew this time around that mid September would be an extremely volatile time for us here in the Us and we aren’t finished yet.
No I know the difference mundane has to do with political events or leaders but you need to use the Natal chart of that country of that particular nation involved ie the United States and 9/11. It was used in ancient times to see if it was a propitious time to go to war. This was the primary use of ancient astrology. To just cast a chart at that time and say it reflects what happened to C Kirk only is irresponsible.
If you want to know about Charlies event you need to overlay on the USA chart and Charlie’s birth chart and the chart of the shooter.
Just using the charts cast for that time only can show the entire world at that moment and you can blithely apply it to any event you want. Horary would be more informative for a specific question.
Kathy, I don't know who you are. Let me tell you what Planet Waves is. We have cast countless hundreds of mundane charts for news events the past 25 years and have covered them in detailed articles. Are you saying this can't be done?
Also, you may object to what I'm saying "in principle" but you don't seem to have an actual complaint about my interpretations.
If your a mundane Astrology then a question needs to be asked and the mundane chart will answer that PARTICULAR question , it’s not like a transit chart or progressed chart where you read the whole chart, there are only certain houses that pertain to a mundane chart, it is usually used for future readings as in what’s the best date for an event or marriage or try Ito find a lost object. You are miss leading people in the way your are reading the chart. The chart you show can be read as the best time for an assignation for example! If you want to do an actual reading you have to post the question you asked and it would only pertain to houses ruled by that question. You’re not speaking to a novice here!
Looking at your postings your more interested in trying to prove some make believe scenario regarding Kirk’s death than you are discussing Astrology. Tomorrow is the autumnal equinox. Mercury is opposing Neptune. This aspect will be reflected until the Spring equinox. Anything I purpose during this aspect will be seen as deception and so will yours. If you are a true Astrologer you would realize this and keep your theories to yourself. There will be accusations and counter accusations. Lies and deceptions.
Neptune also rules videos, movies, photographs, opposition to mercury which is speech, language and information.
I'm a mundane astrologer and investigative reporter and I lead a journalism me mentorship nonprofit. We at Planet Waves have the capacity to follow your logic. So please, you're in the right place — many people will be able to follow you, including all of my news editors who have pretty good astrological proficiency. Everyone gets the benefit of the doubt. Even a few examples will get the process started.
Candace Owens says she saw the video provided to her by the guy who took down the camera from an active crime scene. She says she knew him personally from her days at TPUSA and still had his number in her phone and texted him. This part lasts 15 minutes right at the top. I am leading with the “no blood” angle and she says that in this up close pro quality video, there is no blood and she does not understand why. Well, I do.
That kind of thinking is not permitted in investigative journalism but it's fine in conspiracy theorizing. The simplest explanation is that he's alive, or at least was not killed at that incident.
Hey I have been following you over a decade and it bothers me when I read political stuff that is just plain wrong. I’m a Kinesiologist and I’ve studied and study factual information about our current reality. Charlie Kirk is dead and he deserved it. The idiots who support his Nazi tactics needs to have their head examined. I think you should just stick to astrology.
<< Charlie Kirk is dead and he deserved it. >> is that a political fact?
Also, killing people is what I would call a Nazi tactic; cynically manipulating them is a Nazi tactic; big rallies are a Nazi tactic; there are a lot of Nazi tactics going around. Kirk was a stooge and an intel asset; he was not Charlie Kirk.
Agreed. It’s amazing how people are trying to warp reality. His death doesn’t justify his legacy of being hateful, mysogynist, racist, and a homophobe. And he wasn’t assassinated, he was shot.
Hi, how are you? I’ve been a long time reader and once I was a subscriber. Really admire your work. I learned so much listening to you.
If I can add something to your research (and maybe you already talked about it, but I missed the previous email), here are some things:
-T Mars is moving from a square to T Jupiter and to a square with T Pluto. Mars energy is expanded, about to get stronger. I think that we will see many acts of violence or defense in the next weeks.
The situation is not only that Mars is about action, anger, rage, it’s so much more for HIM.
You see, his birthday in 2023 was the same day as an anular eclipse. Solar eclipse in 21 Libra, same degree that T Mars is visiting right now, activating the energy of that eclipse. The way that I see it, eclipses leave marks that will unfold a story through time. The exact T Mars activation of that degree was Sep 9th.
He was also a Sun+ Jupiter in Libra square Uranus + Neptune in Cap. Jupiter now is opposing that N Uranus+ Neptune.
Is interesting also to see his 2024 solar return. The SR Sun was squared to Mars in Cancer. I see a pattern.
Hope this helps. I honestly knew very little about him until yesterday, and I checked the charts.
Ps: English is not my first language, so crossing my fingers that it all makes sense to you!
Kind regards, Mia.
This is highly irresponsible. You are bending a chart to fit a personal guesstimate/narrative. It's the only complaint I've ever had about your otherwise superb work: political view bias.
Do you think his father's crying out with grief is an act? His wife's? His many friends who have expressed their profound grief on television? Will it take photo's of his 3 year old daughter's face when she realizes she can no longer run to her Daddy's arms for a hug? Please Eric, show more humanity.
I am with you on this. So all the people around Charlie, J.D., his wife, and parents, all of his friends have become Academy Award actors? Sometimes in life, shit happens without any warning, like a car crash or someone just dies. Sometimes logic has to come forward. Where is Charlie hiding for the rest of his life? So, plastic surgery to change his face so he can reunite with his family? Let's get real, please. I use astrology every day. My chart is up on astro.com; it's the first thing I do when I open my computer before I start trading and reviewing the market. But this really is a stretch. I have questions also, but waiting to see what this investigation brings forth. Of course, this group will say it's a huge cover-up.
I agree with you. All of this conspiracy that Charlie is not dead is making some of us even more upset. People are saying he faked his death. He had a blood tube under his t-shirt??? I watched him live before he spoke, tossing out hats. It was warm out there, and there was nothing under that t-shirt. I didn't get anything out of this last night. The investigation is still ongoing.
Donna, this would not be charlie doing anything. we are talking about a special operation
Again - I’m sorry if this is difficult because it’s personal for you - but we are not here to not challenge things that look and also importantly ‘feel’ suspicious because it ‘upsets’ people. It’s called walking on eggshells and it never served anyone.
what exactly is my political view?
You actually made me smile because you answered that question in true Charlie style. Bravo. As a looooong time subscriber, annual/sign reports and weekly/monthlyfollower, (it's got to be at LEAST 20+ years now because I'm 64), I have observed your political viewpoints over time. So I feel confident in my assessment that you lean left, although I have appreciated your efforts when you have toned down the bias. You do have Moderates, moderate Conservatives and Libertarian followers. I fall into those camps.
It's not really about your political identity for me, it's about using the chart to speculate that this event may have been staged, and using the chart to support that hypothesis. I don't think it is right because I believe there are enough factual indicators - the least of which is the profound loss his wife and parents are experiencing - to not go there. That is why I said it was irresponsible. Therefore I had hoped that you would show more humanity there, even though I understand the desire to look at this in a scholarly fashion.
Just for fun, break this down. I am a liberal, therefore I said _______ which is untrue; fill in the blank
Gee, I fly the Thin Blue Line flag outside my house...I am outspoken against the LGBTQ sham...and I am quaker. Anyway thanks for your comment
I know (haha - says the Aquarian), as I said - I have watched you for many years. It was just this instance that hit differently. Plus I really liked Charlie Kirk and respected how he used dialogue and discourse to get young people to think more critically, (although I didn't agree with him on everything). I believe that benefits society as a whole. So I am grieving his loss. There's my bias - which I would call fact based.
Thank you for the opportunity to discuss. I appreciate you.
also, if you say I'm bending my interpretation of the chart, that means I'm omitting or misrepresenting something. Can you give me one example? your theory has two halves -- I am biased; therefore the reading is biased. We should be able to see that in the reading alone -- based on a clear misreprestnation
I am not basing my statement on an omission or missing element. I am basing it on your interpretation and supposition. Charlie Kirk IS dead. I think there is very reasonable and identifiable factual support for that. Sometimes we must accept the raw grief of those closest to him as its own supporting proof.
Let's not forget you were dead wrong on Kamala Harris and then went back to correct that she was a party girl.
I am an Aquarius sun, Cancer moon, Cancer rising, born on a full moon in Cancer makes me pretty intuitive, and it seems the Aquarian logic brain is asking serious questions. As Aquarius loves and rules astrology. I also don't think it's funny, as laughing about this on the video is out of character, Eric.
You’re an idiot if you think he was about free speech and spread the word of Christ. He was a racist and homophobic bigot. The world is a better place without him.
Someone mentioned BML ASC - makes the person on stage the image the event wants to create so raw, taboo (even from this thread it very clear that it's entirely forbidden to entertaint hat political violence could be staged, even open-minded 'truthers' seem to avoid this).
Then Lie at 21 Sag (didn't know Lie even existed) squaring Sun/Nodes/Nessus says active distortion around whatever story is out there. That combo makes it easy for a moralised narrative to gain momentum; whether by intention or otherwise, the effect is the same. So perhaps there are a different set of questions we need to ask at another level. Since here the event has become a big symbol before it becomes grounded in any fact. Though for me these narratives and agendas always bring me to the deeper lie which ultimately force most into a kind of submission and passivity - that is that 'truth is never contactable', reinforcing that it is 'relative' anyway and never 'absolute'. Eroding the absolute has been at the heart of their game plan... forever!
Sorry for talking outside the horary rules, but Ceres may be important in this chart. Ceres has an association with politics and madness, through drugs. As it is well known, the drug LSD is related to a fungi called ergot, that exists in barley. More importantly, Ceres is related to the Greek Eleusinian mysteries. Powerful people in Greece and Rome went through those rites. The last emperor who did so was Marcus Aurelius.
There's also the obvious sickle symbol of Ceres, and its connection with the political ritual of sacrificing kings (e.g. JFK) and princes (the entire family of the Tsar of Russia) as a price of blood, to bring about big changes.
I read once that when they discovered Ceres they wanted to assign the rulership of Virgo to that dwarf planet.
Hola Rogelio! Funny but maybe not so funny, to find you here on Eric’s Substack. 😉🤔
Hi Lupita! Good to see you here!
Hola Cristina!😙
Scorpio sign of “Death” rising? With - is that dark moon Lilith? That looks ominous with only one glance! (And I don’t know sh*t about reading a chart😖)
ok good start. this is why I'm asking for people with modest knowledge but good call right off the stick.
Eric, Sorry, but I am not skilled enough to definitively answer your question about whether Charlie Kirk is actually dead. Why not? The chart of the shooting tells me that the shooter thought so,but the chart of that event, in my opinion, does not hold the answer to your question.
Your question to me is a horary question requiring a chart of the time of your question set for the location where I am. That chart has the Sun (being alive) and Virgo ruler Mercury combust, with the Lunar South Node (Ketu), the "ghostly planet" associated with being a ghost --- no body.
It is Chironic to me that the timing of the demise of towers one and two (not 7) on 9/11/2001 had (if I remember correctly) Moon Void of Course. Almost 24 years later, we have another controversial event with Moon Void of Course.
Your question would be best answered by a full-time, experienced horary astrologer.
Although I respect your pursuit of the truth about every event and issue, personally I am much more concerned about "the bigger picture." Both actual assassinations and government and media deception have often occurred before in history.
First, I can't get the chart to match the event. I cannot get the chart onto the ground. We are looking at all this Venus and Mars and there would seem to be no actual violent directed energy. However, many roads point to Venus and she's standing proud in Leo in the whole sign 10th. This is very showy and pretentious. But like...no action except for a sextile (eventually) to Mars. like...let's get it on babe...in a few days when I'm off of work.
When we look at the "nature and cause of death," ruler 8th, we are led to Mercury -- standing next to the Sun -- which looks a little like "a speaker" near "the president" in the 11th house -- a group event -- OK great that works -- but I cannot get "the speaker" to have been shot by anything. I cannot get anything to be shot by anything except that we have that void Moon (ruler 7th exalted) void basically doing nothing.
Nothing actually HITS anything in this chart. There is no CONTACT. Where is the contact? If the wound is to the throat, where is the injury to the throat?
that BTW is the one parallel to the 9/11 chart -- both under void Moon.
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Basics: Initiator of action (shooter) = ASC and first house placements and Black Moon Lilith conj. ASC from 12th h; Initiator's adversary (Charlie Kirk) = DSC and 7th h. Uranus retro in Gemini
Chart "ruled" by ruler of the First house = Mars and the Moon (always, wherever) Moon in Aries (also ruled by Mars) in the 6th house of self-appointed task to do or job to be done for someone else. Mars in 11th h.: shooter worked for some individual or group; ruler of Mars in 9th h. = either someone or some group in a foreign land, and/or in "the shadow house" of the government (e,g. "The Deep State")
Moon Void of Course: " Nothing can be done about the matter" by other(s) and often can mean for the initiator(s), "Nothing to worry about" --- getting away
Part of Fortune in the 8th house: Death is "fortunate" for the initiator: Charlie Kirk dies
F.Y.I.: Sabian Symbol for Vertex in the 8th house (conjunct Fortuna): auto wrecked by a train at a railroad crossing
dale, the question is, is he dead?
and is "charlie kirk" a natural man, or a construction (fake name, bio).
Eric, you might be interested in this podcast episode. https://rumble.com/v6yrkg6-unreported-164-regime-change-in-pakistan-trump-back-on-cable-hispanic-white.html
To know more about Russell:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fired-teaching-american-history_b_767172
What I notice is that the chart is ruled by Pluto and Mars. Those asteroid goddesses (Juno and Vesta) on the ascendant, answer to them. Also, Lilith. So even if the impetus of the idea or face of the action has at its core 'feminine' values, the action taken is informed by more 'masculine' motive/values. Mars is in an applying opposition to the Eris/Chiron conjunction in action oriented Mars ruled Aries and this has been stimulated by the transit of the Moon. At the time of the event, the Moon is widely square Pluto. Dwarf planet Haumae, (regeneration) is at 1 Scorpio 39 in the 12th, only two minutes off from an exact square with Pluto--the destroyer. Centaurs Pholus and Nessus are also involved in close contra-parellel to Haumea, .3 degrees Pholus and .2 degrees Nessus. It is also interesting that Venus in only 1 degree off from where she was in the 9/11 chart that you've posted, albeit in a different house, but still largely preoccupied in the 9th (close to the MC) with the beautiful display of a philosophy.
the position of Venus is in a tight cycle to the Sun...so you get repeats like that...yes it's a little freaky!
P.S.: Taurus on the DSC: Charlie Kirk was shoot in the neck
yes that, i've got...for sure...but -- where can we connect anything Venusian with his cause of death?
Do you have is birth chart?
Lori's already got a pretty good assessment up
https://lunaticastrology.substack.com/p/why-charlie-kirk-died-its-about-mars
she is not asking IS HE DEAD? Is Charlie Kirk a real person?
I get that the jury is still out on whether he's really dead or whether it was staged and he's conveniently disappeared, but I do think he is/was a real person.....
ok so the jury is out -- good start.
These remarks about a rigged fake assassination is over the top. Even promoting that idea is insanity. I have been an astrologer for over 50 years…his chart definitely shows the potential for assassin especially in the throat area but not written in stone it could also shows death related to the neck but interpretation by us is never conclusive only interpreted as a possibility as houses rule many aspects of our lives. Very poor representation of our position as Astrologers; show some integrity , we are meant to be neutral not political!!!
Good talking to you Eric
Ps I’ve seen 4 different times (of death) on the event so far… granted minutes apart but it could move the houses - maybe.
Oh so you don't know. You have not actually read these charts. I see.
I've seen all of the charts and we went with one documented to the second. I use whole sign houses, so in that sense it does not matter. But YOU my dear have not read these charts. Catch you down the road some time maybe not.
You don’t dismiss ANY astrological theory you use them all if the info is available. One photograph in time won’t give you the Birds Eye view if you’re taking the picture at street level. A good Astrologer uses all the tools available to him or her
A good carpenter uses only the tools he needs for the job, not every tool in the workshop. You have not provided me with one bit of reasoning that demonstrates that you're a qualified astrologer. All you do is throw around jargon and you do not even reference any of my specific points of interpretation.
You could say, "You are misreading the ruler of the 8th house. It's the final dispositor and it's in hayes, that must mean he's running the show from up in heaven." I don't think you're here for serious discussion of astrology. So I'm going to give you a month off from my substack.
It’s only a possible death chart of someone or several someone’s as I am sure that more than just Charlie died that moment somewhere in the world. For it to be applied to Charlie you have to overlay it with Natal, Progressed both forward and retro and a midpoint chart would help as well. We can debate this forever. Your calculations are for a moment in time only, again it indicates a death that is a Possible Assassination. There are a million things going on in the world at that moment - not just Charlie Kirk.
I understand what you are saying but you can’t justify the so-called scenarios of videos showing a false event. As I said that issue is being proposed primarily because of the line up of Neptune and Mercury in opposition… that means deceit but we don’t know WHO IS DOING THE DECEIT! Bad time for any predictions period!
I suggest you do an overlay with a USA chart. Independence Day natal and progressed and the date the constitution was ratified natal and progressed. Do the work!
We are proceeding from different astrological theories. Charlie Kirk has nothing to do with the U.S. or the constitution; he was a campus speaker talking about alleged transsexual school shooters, who are not mentioned in the founding documents.
Kirk is said to have been killed; the chart for that time and date is therefore his death chart. In a death chart, we should be able to see that event, and also its nature and cause. Let's study the ruler of the 8th house of that chart. It should tell us a lot.
It’s only after the event that you maybe able to read Some of the impact of the chart but you still aren’t getting the full and complete picture so that allows you to interpret it anyway you would like to suit your scenario.
You can say that, but I have left all of my calculations open in the article -- all of my assessments are stated in classical astrological terms and I am reading a classical chart with just seven points and the part of fortune; that does not leave me a lot of wiggle room. You are not saying what interpretation is wrong; you're saying that I am wrong. I've provided you with plenty of documented interpretations for you to take shots at. But you don't ever reference my astrology. I left it in for other astrologers to critique. So, have at it; you say you're good. Go for it.
Not doing an overlay allows flaws in your readings…single charts show the stress or the benefits but not necessarily were they will occur!
Can you quote an authoritative source on that? Cornelius? Hand? Jones? Any other horary or mundane master? Can you cite an article you have published on the topic that breaks down your reasoning and gives examples?
Not unless you use the country’s in question natal chart..,you don’t get a full and accurate picture. And be aware that those charts can be hard to come by.
You can see highly volatile events showing up through daily casts but you may not know where they will occur with out the Natal chart to compare it to. I knew months in advance that the US was highly likely to be attacked on 9/11 but I didn’t exactly know where. “Twins” were involved in the reading overlaying the United States, but too many people (leaders in particular) had Gemini invoked but it wound up being twin towers and also multiple attacks with planes. I stressed for months about it and my husband couldn’t believe that anyone would actually attack the US on home ground.
But knowing about it didn’t prevent it. My husband lost many friends that day. I knew this time around that mid September would be an extremely volatile time for us here in the Us and we aren’t finished yet.
No I know the difference mundane has to do with political events or leaders but you need to use the Natal chart of that country of that particular nation involved ie the United States and 9/11. It was used in ancient times to see if it was a propitious time to go to war. This was the primary use of ancient astrology. To just cast a chart at that time and say it reflects what happened to C Kirk only is irresponsible.
If you want to know about Charlies event you need to overlay on the USA chart and Charlie’s birth chart and the chart of the shooter.
Just using the charts cast for that time only can show the entire world at that moment and you can blithely apply it to any event you want. Horary would be more informative for a specific question.
Kathy, I don't know who you are. Let me tell you what Planet Waves is. We have cast countless hundreds of mundane charts for news events the past 25 years and have covered them in detailed articles. Are you saying this can't be done?
Also, you may object to what I'm saying "in principle" but you don't seem to have an actual complaint about my interpretations.
If your a mundane Astrology then a question needs to be asked and the mundane chart will answer that PARTICULAR question , it’s not like a transit chart or progressed chart where you read the whole chart, there are only certain houses that pertain to a mundane chart, it is usually used for future readings as in what’s the best date for an event or marriage or try Ito find a lost object. You are miss leading people in the way your are reading the chart. The chart you show can be read as the best time for an assignation for example! If you want to do an actual reading you have to post the question you asked and it would only pertain to houses ruled by that question. You’re not speaking to a novice here!
You seem to be saying that I should cast horary.
Looking at your postings your more interested in trying to prove some make believe scenario regarding Kirk’s death than you are discussing Astrology. Tomorrow is the autumnal equinox. Mercury is opposing Neptune. This aspect will be reflected until the Spring equinox. Anything I purpose during this aspect will be seen as deception and so will yours. If you are a true Astrologer you would realize this and keep your theories to yourself. There will be accusations and counter accusations. Lies and deceptions.
Neptune also rules videos, movies, photographs, opposition to mercury which is speech, language and information.
Now is not the time for speculation !
I'm a mundane astrologer and investigative reporter and I lead a journalism me mentorship nonprofit. We at Planet Waves have the capacity to follow your logic. So please, you're in the right place — many people will be able to follow you, including all of my news editors who have pretty good astrological proficiency. Everyone gets the benefit of the doubt. Even a few examples will get the process started.
Please share your data and your interpretation points — if you have an astrological argument; several of us here will be able to follow your steps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlhjfW6hz8
Candace Owens says she saw the video provided to her by the guy who took down the camera from an active crime scene. She says she knew him personally from her days at TPUSA and still had his number in her phone and texted him. This part lasts 15 minutes right at the top. I am leading with the “no blood” angle and she says that in this up close pro quality video, there is no blood and she does not understand why. Well, I do.
Well, if they used a DEWy (Directed Energy Weapon), that would explain a lot of the questionable details, yes?
That kind of thinking is not permitted in investigative journalism but it's fine in conspiracy theorizing. The simplest explanation is that he's alive, or at least was not killed at that incident.
Is any one doing Charlie's progressed chart on the day of the event?
Monica Bravo on substack has got a chart, check it out.
Hey I have been following you over a decade and it bothers me when I read political stuff that is just plain wrong. I’m a Kinesiologist and I’ve studied and study factual information about our current reality. Charlie Kirk is dead and he deserved it. The idiots who support his Nazi tactics needs to have their head examined. I think you should just stick to astrology.
<< Charlie Kirk is dead and he deserved it. >> is that a political fact?
Also, killing people is what I would call a Nazi tactic; cynically manipulating them is a Nazi tactic; big rallies are a Nazi tactic; there are a lot of Nazi tactics going around. Kirk was a stooge and an intel asset; he was not Charlie Kirk.
Agreed. It’s amazing how people are trying to warp reality. His death doesn’t justify his legacy of being hateful, mysogynist, racist, and a homophobe. And he wasn’t assassinated, he was shot.